The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. and the .32 Win. I'd go with the 35 whelen. Sure, you can get away with it, especially with todays extra-heavy bullets, but I think its foolish. can drive the same weight bullet a bit faster. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. The full spectrum of our many 7mms, from 7mm-08 and 7x57 on up to the fastest 7mm magnums, are also fine, but they are not magical giant-slayers. . The 250-grain .358-inch bulletwith a sectional density of 0.279if properly constructed, has enough length to handle the brown bear and bison, and all of the African plains game species, plus lion and leopard. In many areas a 100-pound deer might be normal, but mule deer and whitetail bucks exist that are triple that size. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. Posts: 46,063. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. Bottles & 12-oz. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. The .358 is vastly underated as the Whelen. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. While most of the .35 caliber rifle cartridges are powerful medium bore numbers designed for use on large (CXP3) game like elk and moose, the most popular .35 caliber rifle cartridge is the .35 Remington. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. from my E.R. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. They will also slap down lighter game like deer, feral hogs and black bear with authority, of course. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. Mag. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season. Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. There are several reasons. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. The .35 Caliber Cartridge Family(.357 Mag., .35 Remington, .356 Winchester, .358 Winchester, .35 Whelen, .350 Rem. In a letter written to friend Townsend Whelen during early 1920s, Leslie Simpson-- one of the first Americans to become a professional hunter in Africa--opined that the hunting world needed a .35 caliber cartridge . Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. This is a particularly apt comparison because the re-introduced .350 is available in the Remington Model Seven rifle, which is also offered in .300 short magnum calibers. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. Of the three, only the .358 Norma has not become a standard chambering. For anyone with an experimental or fanciful turn of mind, the .358 Norma and the many .358-inch diameter bullets are a gold mine. and the 6.5 mm Rem. I have needed to reach 400 yards, but never a whole bunch farther. You bet they worked! Can this be made into a .358 Norma Mag or must I do a .35 Whelen. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. You can start with the 6.5mms. has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. Mag. offered the performance level of the .358 Win. This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? .500 Nitro Express. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. Since lack of a gas seal in a low-pressure load is more of a nuisance than a danger, it can be ignored if you dont mind the soot. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. [quote=encorerbHmmm, makes me wonder. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Follow along to see exactly how. Mag. The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. Norma loads their 250-grain Oryx bullet to this velocity, and as the rear portion of the bullet is bonded, it will give an excellent blend of expansion and penetration. Out of stock View Details . For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. However, the majority of American deer hunters dont live in elk country, but many dream of going elk hunting. It is, as you say, a thumper. I have no experience with the Norma mag. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. 35 Whelen. The bullet was the then-new Trophy Bonded 250-grain Bear Claw. If you happen to have a .35 and don't mind the extra recoil, there is no denying that it will flat get the job done. I am also looking at building a 358 Norma Mag on a model 110 Savage action, formerly a 300 Win mag, and start from scratch with the stock ( bedding and pillar) and make it a tolerable shooter even if a bit heavy. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. .470 Nitro Express. .50 Beowulf. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. To return to our boxing analogy, the .358 Norma Magnum not only has the Hammer of Thor, but it also offers an excellent jab, a good hook, a wicked uppercut and a variety of feints. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. This load uses a 200 grain Flex-Tip spitzer bullet and delivers a MV of 2225 fps and ME of 2198 ft. lbs. For example, take the most powerful of the factory standardized .35's, the .358 Norma Magnum. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. I believe in quality optics, but quality and magnification are not synonymous. Yet, that bore diameter produces some of the best hunting cartridges available. The .358 Win. The .338-inch fans cite the advantage of the higher sectional density figures, while the .358-inch camp favors the better frontal diameter of the larger bore. Released in 1959though there were no factory chambered rifles or factory loaded ammunition available for the new cartridgeNorma offered chamber reamers and new component brass for its new brainchild. On a 600 pound animal like a big bull elk the optimum game range of the .308 (180 grain bullet at a MV of 2610 fps) is a useful 175 yards. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. The .270 WSM and .270 Weatherby deliver more energy, but all three are fine. As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. Think of the .358 Norma Magnum as the chunky cousin of the .338 Winchester Magnum; not quite as svelte or popular, but equally effective in a fight. My vote is for the .35 Whelen. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. Today, rifles can be made very light, but that can also be overdone because light rifles are whippy and hard to control when youre out of breath and have to settle in for a quick shot. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. And for the larger antelope species, like any of the eland, wildebeest, zebra and roan, the .350 Rigby Magnum is a sound choice. Its said that the French used it in World War I, but it probably didnt see much action. The Swedish firm of A.B. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. Can't really imagine one cartridge doing anything the other couldn't, though the availability of bigger bullets and way more factory ammo (if wanted) are definite pluses for the Mauser. The trouble is, they didnt sell. In Johanssons case, disdain for serious training left him vulnerable when the superbly conditioned Patterson came back a year later, gave him a dazzling boxing lesson and reclaimed the title. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. The numerous magnum .30s are also excellent, but they deliver more recoil. was simply a .308 Win. Rifle Recoil Table. We owe a debt of gratitude to the engineers at the British firm of Holland & Holland; though it is lost to history who exactly designed the belted magnum cartridge, the .275 and .375 Holland & Holland Magnums were game changers. I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. 10 GA. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Oklahoma. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. First, it will do everything the .338 will, and a bit more. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. Shaw rifles 24-inch barrel. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? would follow that tradition. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. I have never lost an elk, and I do not recall ever tracking one for recovery. It has never failed me. In more recent times, the 1994 release of the .450 Rigby gave dangerous game hunters a bit more bullet weight than the .416 Rigby and has developed a small but devout following among both professional hunters and their clients alike. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Quite a difference! With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. The .358 Win. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. Not only that, many different bullet moulds were made for casting .358 bullets in some of the most fanciful shapes. I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. [/quote]. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. Kevin Steele, Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING talks with JJ Reich of HEVI-Shot about the new offerings for 2023. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. Norma Projektilfabrik answered Winchesters designs with a pair of their own: the .308 Norma Magnum and its slightly older brother, the .358 Norma Magnum. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. 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The .35 Whelen has a relatively simple design: it's a .30-06 Springfield case necked up to use .358 instead of .308 bullets (the exact opposite of the .270 Winchester in other words). For the handloader, as the accompanying table demonstrates, the .358 Norma Magnum provides an almost unbelievable range of possibilities, from loads light enough for gallery shooting to heavy enough. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. With modern powders the muzzle velocities can certainly beat those of the Cordite loads a century ago, especially in a modern rifle. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? From a 12 twist bore, accuracy sweet spots for light bullets include 2950fps with 180 grain bullets, 2925fps with 200 grain bullets, before normalizing with 225 grain bullets at 2900fps. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. I have one, of course, and it is fun to shoot, but I would never use it on a serious big-game hunt. Bottles & 12-oz. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Mag. The .35 Whelen is a necked up medium bore wildcat cartridge that was created by necking up a .30-06 Springfield case which is famously overpowered for the 30-caliber bullet it propels. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. As it was released in the first century of the . Here are the features to watch out for. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Mag. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. I shot my first bull elk in Montanas Pioneer Mountains on a snowy Thanksgiving in 1972. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. Also, the 35 Whelen will not do much that your 350 and 358 already do, if anything. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. The .25 Rem., .30 Rem. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. Whelen would not. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. I was wrong. There are specialized situations where close shots are the norm, but most often, the ideal elk rifle should have enough versatility for shots out to 300 yards and change. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? The writings of Robert Ruark certainly helped the reputation of the cartridge and the company, as Ruark put his young PH Harry Selby and the .416 Rigby rifle he carried on a pedestal. What keeps it alive? Fusion Ammo has a 200-grain with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. The .318 Westley Richards was a highly popular choice at that time, and it drives a 250-grain bullet of .330-inch diameter, with a SD of 0.328, and the .375 Holland & Holland uses a 300-grain bullet of nominal diameter with a SD of 0.305; both are renowned for their penetration. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. Out of stock View Details . Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. The guide professed to be dumbstruck: I never saw a nilgai knocked down like that, he said, And we use some big rifles here!. The .358 Norma Mag. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. I have a .356 Win. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996.

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